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土耳其發現諾亞方舟殘骸?

土耳其發現諾亞方舟殘骸?

土耳其發現諾亞方舟殘骸?

土耳其發現諾亞方舟殘骸?



香港和土耳其的探險隊員27日表示,他們在土耳其東部的亞拉拉特山附近找到傳說中的諾亞方舟船身殘骸,測試發現這些殘骸的年代可追溯至4800年前,即《創世紀》中所描述的諾亞方舟存在時期。



(香港和土耳其的探險隊員表示,在土耳其的亞拉拉特山附近找到諾亞方舟船身殘骸)


「雖然我們不能100%確定它就是諾亞方舟,但可能性達到99.9%。」英國《每日郵報》(Daily Mail)報導,香港導演楊永祥(Yeung Wing-cheung)在記者會上介紹,他與另外15位福音派教徒組成探險小組,到土耳其東部的亞拉拉特山進行探索,在附近積雪和火山殘骸下找到了7個大木艙。




(这张由探险队公布的照片显示了一座木构造建筑的部分墙壁)


據了解,亞拉拉特山是《聖經》中所描述的諾亞方舟最後停泊處。探險隊指出,那裡的海拔超過1.3萬英尺,他們對取自該處的一塊木料測試,發現它的年代可追溯至西元前2800年 。


(2006年,美国国家安全分析师波切尔-泰勒宣称这张卫星照片上显示亚拉拉特山西北角有“异常物体)


小組成員李博宇(Panda Lee)說︰「我看到了一個用木板一樣的木料建造的結構。每塊木板大概有8英寸寬,我能看到榫頭,這是金屬釘使用之前的古代建築的證據。我們步行100公尺到達另一個地方,我看到了嵌入冰川的斷裂木頭片段,大約有20公尺長 。」





探險隊公布的影片顯示,整個木結構有多個船艙,一些還有木樑,其中一個船艙的木牆很光滑,稍顯彎曲,裡頭有門、樓梯和釘子。探險隊指出,木料看上去取自柏樹,而據《聖經》描述,諾亞方舟是用一種名為「歌斐木」的未知樹木打造,目前已排除了木船是人類居住點的可能性。

http://www.hkreporter.com/talks/thread-907325-1-1.html

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'We've found Noah's Ark!'... claim evangelical explorers on mission to snow-capped Ararat (but British scientists say 'show us your evidence')


As believers in the literal truth of the Bible, they knew it was there.
Even so, the explorers who say theyfound seven large wooden compartments beneath snow and volcanic debrisnear the peak of Mount Ararat can be forgiven their excitement.
'It's not 100 per cent that it isNoah's Ark, but we think it is 99.9 per cent that this is it,' saidYeung Wing-cheung, a filmmaker working with the 15-strong team offundamentalist Christians exploring the Turkish mountain.

This picture released by the evangelical group claims to show one of the explorers examining part of a structure which they claim might prove the existence of Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat. There are no external images of the site and the Hong Kong-based group refuse to say precisely where they made their discovery until the Turkish government designate it an archaeological site






The snow-capped peak of Mt. Ararat. The discovery is said to have been made 12,000ft up the mountain which lies in eastern Turkey

They said wood taken from the site,which is more than 13,000ft above sea level, dates to 2,800BC. If it isthe ark, the discovery would be the greatest in the history ofarchaeology and bear out one of the most famous stories in the Bible.
The team of Turks and Chinese researchers from Noah's Ark Ministries International in Hong Kong say they made the discovery on Ararat - the biblical resting place of the ark - in October

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1269165/Noahs-Ark-remains-discovered-mountain-Turkey.html

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“15-strong team of fundamentalist Christians ”。。。嘛。。影音使團類的基督教徒看到一條木在相關位置也一定會說是 Noah's Ark的殘駭嘛

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原帖由 Ladykylie 於 2010-4-29 13:49 發表
“15-strong team of fundamentalist Christians ”。。。嘛。。影音使團類的基督教徒看到一條木在相關位置也一定會說是 Noah's Ark的殘駭嘛
早幾年我咪上咗影音使團呢條賊船買咗佢套vcd,越睇越唔對路。
我可以好肯定咁講你知我去過,喺馬灣嗰邊有一隻,仲有好多硬膠動物tim。




[ 本帖最後由 c06662 於 2010-4-29 16:59 編輯 ]

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專家質疑中土聯合探險隊發現諾亞方舟

日前來自中國香港和土耳其的探險隊員宣布他們在土耳其東部的亞拉拉特山附近找著了傳說中的諾亞方舟殘骸,經碳元素測試發現這些殘骸可追溯到4800年前,正是《創世紀》中所記載的諾亞方舟存在的時期。真實性高達99.9%

探險隊的15名隊員均屬於『香港諾亞方舟國際事工組織』,都是虔誠的福音派基督徒。他們表示,其實早在去年10月就在亞拉拉特山這一《聖經》中描述的諾亞方舟最終停泊地找到了殘骸。為了真實記錄尋找諾亞方舟的過程,探險隊還帶上了專業的攝像器材。來自香港的隊員楊永祥本人就是一名導演,他表示:『雖然我們不能百分之百確定這就是諾亞方舟,但其真實性還是可以達到99.9%。』

具體地點保密

亞拉拉特山是土耳其最高的山峰,隊員們稱在被積雪和火山灰覆蓋的海拔3962米的地方發現了大量方舟殘骸。一位名叫李博宇(Panda Lee)的隊員稱:『我親眼看見用巨大木板做成的船體結構,每一塊木板都有20厘米寬。我還可以看出這些木板都是用榫子連接在一起,而據史料,造方舟時期確實還沒有發明鐵釘……在離大木板百米之外的另一個地方,散落著木頭碎片,冰川下的一些木板也都有20米長。』

根據《創世紀》記載,諾亞方舟長近157米,寬26米,高16米。探險隊員還發現,可以從船身殘骸分辨出一間間艙室的模樣,門窗、樓梯依稀可見。早在2006年,美國國家安全分析專家波爾謝?泰勒就宣稱他經過10年研究,通過觀察衛星照片發現亞拉拉特山西北角有異常物體,並斷定這就是諾亞方舟殘骸。不過由於無法提供實質性證據,此事最終不了了之。

不過探險隊員表示,他們目前不願意透露發現殘骸的具體地點,而土耳其政府也表示,他們准備將亞拉拉特山山頂的一片區域申請為聯合國教科文組織世界遺產保護地,希望聯合國能夠保護此地直到時機成熟,對其進行正式挖掘。

多位專家質疑

雖然探險隊員言之鑿鑿,但是質疑之聲還是不少。英國知名考古學家邁克?皮特認為,中土聯合探險隊其實沒有提供任何有說服性的證據,『如果那裡真的發生過洪水,能在4800年前將一艘巨輪提昇至靠近山頂的位置,那一定會留下地質痕跡,但問題是沒有。』皮特說。
英國牛津大學古代史講師尼古拉斯?珀賽爾表示,這所謂的宣稱根本就是『胡說八道』。他告訴記者:『如果公元前2800年歐亞大陸就被3900米深的洪水淹沒,那請告訴我,有數千年歷史的埃及和美索不達米亞文明又是如何生存下來的?』

稿源: 深圳晚報 編輯: 高傳 

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原帖由 c06662 於 2010-4-29 18:01 發表
探險隊的15名隊員均屬於『香港諾亞方舟國際事工組織』,都是虔誠的福音派基督徒。他們表示,其實早在去年10月就在亞拉拉特山這一《聖經》中描述的諾亞方舟最終停泊地找到了殘骸。為了真實記錄尋找諾亞方舟的過程,探險隊還帶上了專業的攝像器材。來自香港的隊員楊永祥本人就是一名導演,他表示:『雖然我們不能百分之百確定這就是諾亞方舟,但其真實性還是可以達到99.9%。』
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一班騙自已的蠢蛋。

Noah's Ark Found in Turkey?
The expedition team is "99.9 percent" sure. Others, well, aren't.


Near the top of Mount Ararat (file photo) in Turkey, explorers claim to have found Noah's ark.
Photograph by Martin Gray, National Geographic

Ker Than for National Geographic News Published April 28, 2010 SANITIZE EXEMPT A team of evangelical Christian explorers claim they've found the remains of Noah's ark beneath snow and volcanic debris on Turkey's Mount Ararat (map). But some archaeologists and historians are taking the latest claim that Noah's ark has been found about as seriously as they have past ones—which is to say not very. (See "Noah's Ark Discovered in Iran?" and "Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water—Was It a Stunt?") "I don't know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn't find it," said Paul Zimansky, an archaeologist specializing in the Middle East at Stony Brook University in New York State. Turkish and Chinese explorers from a group called Noah's Ark Ministries International made the latest discovery claim Monday in Hong Kong, where the group is based. "It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's ark, but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it," Yeung Wing-cheung, a filmmaker accompanying the explorers, told The Daily Mail. Raw Video: Purported Site of Noah's Ark in Turkey (Courtesy Noah's Ark Ministries International)

Ker Than
for National Geographic News
Published April 28, 2010

A team of evangelical Christian explorers claim they've found the remains of Noah's ark beneath snow and volcanic debris on Turkey's Mount Ararat (map).
But some archaeologists and historians are taking the latest claim that Noah's ark has been found about as seriously as they have past ones—which is to say not very.

"I don't know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn't find it," said Paul Zimansky, an archaeologist specializing in the Middle East at Stony Brook University in New York State.

Turkish and Chinese explorers from a group called Noah's Ark Ministries International made the latest discovery claim Monday in Hong Kong, where the group is based.

"It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's ark, but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it," Yeung Wing-cheung, a filmmaker accompanying the explorers, told The Daily Mail.

Noah's Ark Location in Turkey a Secret

The team claims to have found in 2007 and 2008 seven large wooden compartments buried at 13,000 feet (4,000 meters) above sea level, near the peak of Mount Ararat. They returned to the site with a film crew in October 2009.

Many Christians believe the mountain in Turkey is the final resting place of Noah's ark, which the Bible says protected Noah, his family, and pairs of every animal species on Earth during a divine deluge that wiped out most of humanity.

"The structure is partitioned into different spaces," said Noah's Ark Ministries International team member Man-fai Yuen in a statement. "We believe that the wooden structure we entered is the same structure recorded in historical accounts. ... "

The team says radiocarbon-dated wood taken from the discovery site—whose location they're keeping secret for now—shows the purported ark is about 4,800 years old, which coincides roughly with the time of Noah's flood implied by the Bible.


"Noah's Ark" Wood "Way, Way, Way Too Young"

Skepticism of the new Noah's ark claim extends to at least one scholar who interprets the Bible literally.
Biologist Todd Wood is director of the Center for Origins Research at Bryan College in Tennessee, which pursues biology in a creationist framework.
As a creationist, Wood believes God created Earth and its various life-forms out of nothing roughly 6,000 years ago.

"If you accept a young chronology for the Earth ... then radiocarbon dating has to be reinterpreted," because the method often yields dates much older than 6,000 years, Wood said.

Radiocarbon dating estimates the ages of organic objects by measuring the radioisotope carbon 14, which is known to decay at a set rate over time. The method is generally thought to reach its limit with objects about 60,000 years old. Earth is generally thought to be about four and a half billion years old.

Across the board, radiocarbon dates need to be recalibrated, Wood believes, to reflect shorter time frames.
Given this perceived overestimation in radiocarbon daiting, the wood the Noah's Ark Ministries International team found should have a "traditional" radiocarbon date of several tens of thousands of years if the wood is truly 4,800 years old, Wood said.

"I'm really, really skeptical that this could possibly be Noah's Ark," he added. The wood date is "way, way, way too young."

Wood thinks Noah's ark will never be found, because "it would have been prime timber after the flood," he said.

"If you just got off the ark, and there's no trees, what are you going to build your house out of? You've got a huge boat made of wood, so let's use that," he said. "So I think it got torn apart and scavenged for building material basically."

"Noah's Ark" Found in Right Country, on Wrong Mountain?

Another reason scholars are skeptical of the latest Noah's ark discovery claim is that Genesis—the forst book of the Bible—never specifies which peak the vessel supposedly landed on in Turkey.

"The whole notion is odd, because the Bible tells you the ark landed somewhere in Urartu,"—an ancient kingdom in eastern Turkey—"but it's only later that people identified Mount Ararat with Urartu," said Jack Sasson, a professor of Jewish and biblical studies at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee.
Stony Brook's Zimansky agreed. "Nobody associated that mountain with the ark" until the tenth century B.C., he said, adding that there's no geologic evidence for a mass flood in Turkey around 4,000 years ago.

The Noah's Ark Ministries International explorers are "playing in a very different ballpark than the rest of us," Zimansky said. "They're playing without any concern for" the archaeological, historical, and geological records.

Better Explanations for "Noah's Ark" Structure?

Even if the Noah's Ark Ministries International team did find a wooden structure or even a boat on Mount Ararat, there are other explanations for what the structure might be.

For example, it could be a shrine constructed by early Christians to commemorate the site where they believed Noah's Ark should be, Zimansky said.
Even in that speculative case, it wouldn't be 4,000 years old. "The Bible hadn't even been written yet," he said.

Bible scholar Sasson said he thinks biblical writers intended the story of Noah's ark to be allegorical, not a true recounting of historical events. By presenting a scenario in which humanity is punished for its wickedness, "they were trying to draw us to the notion of a God who asks us to be acceptable," Sasson said.


UN to Consider "Noah's Ark"?

On its Web site, Noah's Ark Ministries International says the Turkish government plans to apply to the United Nations to put the Noah's ark discovery site on the UNESCO World Heritage list, a designation given to places of special cultural or physical significance.

But the agency hasn't received any official requests from Turkey for "the inscription of 'Noah's ark'" into the list, UNESCO spokesperson Roni Amelan said in an email.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/

Such a move would take time, Amelan added. "This cannot be done overnight."

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